Zara and Michelle from Shameless on privacy, therapy, navigating criticism and building a modern media company.

For episode 71 of Offline, host Alison Rice sits down with the hosts of Shameless the podcast, Zara McDonald and Michelle Andrews. 

Have you ever wondered what it would be like to be catapulted into the public sphere with one of your best friends before the age of 25? Oh, and add to that the whole thing is being recorded and millions of people are not only listening and enjoying what you say, but some are also judging and critiquing what you say.

As a fellow podcaster Alison has, which is why she has so much respect for her two guests. 

The timing couldn’t be more perfect for these three women and podcasters to record together. Zara and Michelle recently released their first book, The Space Between, which is dedicated to the mess and madness of our twenties. It is as fun as it is nuanced and deep. 

In this honest conversation, Zara and Michelle open about navigating privacy, learning which stories are theirs to tell, how being rejected from mainstream networks was the throughway to their success, the importance of therapy to process their experiences, how they’re thinking about building a modern media business in 2020 and beyond, and so much more. 

Alison hopes you love getting to know two of Australia’s most exciting, young media pioneers on a deeper level.


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